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	<description>Liberal Democrat MP for Hornsey and Wood Green</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Hornsey Lane Gardens, and although I was in favour of the recently introduced CPZ (Highgate Station zone extension, 2 house per day Mon- Fri), I have still been pleasantly surprised at the vast difference it has made. Before it was introduced  my visitors couldn&#039;t even park within 10 minutes of our house Monday-Friday, and we ourselves frequently had to park in other roads. This seems to have been due to commuters and people leaving cars unmoved for sometimes months on end.  And although some spaces have been lost (round corners etc), this has been mitigated by the fact that residents with driveways who previously couldn&#039;t be bothered to park on them (and used the road instead, therefore using 2 spaces because of the gap left for the drive!) now do park on their driveways. For me, this is a good argument against giving residents free parking permits! The fee seems, frankly, a small price to pay for the alleviation of the parking problems here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Hornsey Lane Gardens, and although I was in favour of the recently introduced CPZ (Highgate Station zone extension, 2 house per day Mon- Fri), I have still been pleasantly surprised at the vast difference it has made. Before it was introduced  my visitors couldn&#8217;t even park within 10 minutes of our house Monday-Friday, and we ourselves frequently had to park in other roads. This seems to have been due to commuters and people leaving cars unmoved for sometimes months on end.  And although some spaces have been lost (round corners etc), this has been mitigated by the fact that residents with driveways who previously couldn&#8217;t be bothered to park on them (and used the road instead, therefore using 2 spaces because of the gap left for the drive!) now do park on their driveways. For me, this is a good argument against giving residents free parking permits! The fee seems, frankly, a small price to pay for the alleviation of the parking problems here.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the South of the Constituency, within walking distance of Finsbury Park LT Station, and the CPZ has transformed our lives for very little cost. Yes, it is bureaucratic and officious but it has emptied our streets and given us many more opportunities to park outside our houses. More CPZs like mine, I say! But that&#039;s the point, isn&#039;t it?  They work for some, not for others.  I know of others over the border in Islington who say the same as me, but why impose this repressive regime in quiet streets that don&#039;t suffer from overspill parking?  Reduce the bureaucracy, keep the price low (so far OK!). But put them where they&#039;re needed and welcome, not just anywhere the Council can milk for a few dollars more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the South of the Constituency, within walking distance of Finsbury Park LT Station, and the CPZ has transformed our lives for very little cost. Yes, it is bureaucratic and officious but it has emptied our streets and given us many more opportunities to park outside our houses. More CPZs like mine, I say! But that&#8217;s the point, isn&#8217;t it?  They work for some, not for others.  I know of others over the border in Islington who say the same as me, but why impose this repressive regime in quiet streets that don&#8217;t suffer from overspill parking?  Reduce the bureaucracy, keep the price low (so far OK!). But put them where they&#8217;re needed and welcome, not just anywhere the Council can milk for a few dollars more.</p>
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		<title>By: ARH</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2006/10/haringey-parking-plans.htm/comment-page-1#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>ARH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t really claim to have any personal interest in CPZs either way, as I refuse to own a car while I live in London - in my experience it really isn&#039;t necessary.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On a theoretical level, though, I have to be in favour of anything that discourages people from unnecessary driving; I think life is made artificially easy for motorists.  I&#039;m always a bit surprised at all the furious opposition that greets any suggestion to hold drivers to account for the inconvenience, pollution, and physical danger that cars generate, especially in cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t really claim to have any personal interest in CPZs either way, as I refuse to own a car while I live in London &#8211; in my experience it really isn&#8217;t necessary.  </p>
<p>On a theoretical level, though, I have to be in favour of anything that discourages people from unnecessary driving; I think life is made artificially easy for motorists.  I&#8217;m always a bit surprised at all the furious opposition that greets any suggestion to hold drivers to account for the inconvenience, pollution, and physical danger that cars generate, especially in cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To GW&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am the person talking about the TFL rip off fares rip off.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry  - but it is you who has not fully understood the TFL fare structure.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That is not surprising - it is a form of confusuion marketing and they have given you and many others the impression that kids can travel round all day for £1. You are wrong!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The fares are at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tickets/2006/single/tubedlr-4.shtmlre &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You are looking at well over £3 per weekday for a child using an Oyster card.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Oyster card is simply not a transparent way of charging for fares. You &quot;charge up&quot; the card and then your journeys use up the credit  - without you knowing exactly what you have been charged for any one jouney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To GW</p>
<p>I am the person talking about the TFL rip off fares rip off.</p>
<p>Sorry  &#8211; but it is you who has not fully understood the TFL fare structure.</p>
<p>That is not surprising &#8211; it is a form of confusuion marketing and they have given you and many others the impression that kids can travel round all day for £1. You are wrong!</p>
<p>The fares are at <a href="http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tickets/2006/single/tubedlr-4.shtmlre" rel="nofollow">http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/fares-tickets/2006/single/tubedlr-4.shtmlre</a> </p>
<p>You are looking at well over £3 per weekday for a child using an Oyster card.</p>
<p>The Oyster card is simply not a transparent way of charging for fares. You &#8220;charge up&#8221; the card and then your journeys use up the credit  &#8211; without you knowing exactly what you have been charged for any one jouney.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few things.  Firstly in planning CPZ the council must (and I belive is) aware of the consequences on adjacent streets.  Living in the  Hornsey Lane Gardens/Miltons area we have suffered as a result of the CPZ introduced in Highgate.  Many of the people who used to park there now park in our streets.  So, whilst there are empty spaces in roads near the station  there are fights in the streets here.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Secondly, the thought that the problem is down to residents only is just nor correct. We see many many commuters arriving each morning, parking and then walk towards Archway Road and the buses to Archway tube station.  I believe then focus should be on stopping the commuter traffic (let them get the tube from where they live in zones 4 or 5 and not drive to Highgate and get the tube from Archway in zone 2) and not penalising the residents.  To do this is relatively easy, introduce CPZ for 1 hour in the middle of the day and give resiednts permits for free.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thirdly, let the council make use of the parking areas that they have.  Tudour Close, a council estate just off Hornsey Lane Gardens must have 40 or 50 spaces.  There is rarely more than 10 cars in their.  Because you need a permit to park the friends of the residents (and residents without a permit) park on the street.  This is just madness.  Before they made the car park residents only there was no problems.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, the council should make more efforts to remove uninsured cars and those cars without tax.  This would obviouley create more spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things.  Firstly in planning CPZ the council must (and I belive is) aware of the consequences on adjacent streets.  Living in the  Hornsey Lane Gardens/Miltons area we have suffered as a result of the CPZ introduced in Highgate.  Many of the people who used to park there now park in our streets.  So, whilst there are empty spaces in roads near the station  there are fights in the streets here.  </p>
<p>Secondly, the thought that the problem is down to residents only is just nor correct. We see many many commuters arriving each morning, parking and then walk towards Archway Road and the buses to Archway tube station.  I believe then focus should be on stopping the commuter traffic (let them get the tube from where they live in zones 4 or 5 and not drive to Highgate and get the tube from Archway in zone 2) and not penalising the residents.  To do this is relatively easy, introduce CPZ for 1 hour in the middle of the day and give resiednts permits for free.</p>
<p>Thirdly, let the council make use of the parking areas that they have.  Tudour Close, a council estate just off Hornsey Lane Gardens must have 40 or 50 spaces.  There is rarely more than 10 cars in their.  Because you need a permit to park the friends of the residents (and residents without a permit) park on the street.  This is just madness.  Before they made the car park residents only there was no problems.  </p>
<p>Finally, the council should make more efforts to remove uninsured cars and those cars without tax.  This would obviouley create more spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: gw</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2006/10/haringey-parking-plans.htm/comment-page-1#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>gw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the person talking about public transport fares. In case you didn&#039;t know, if you have an Oyster card your children can travel all day for a pound. It is fantastic! I am loving the whole Oyster card thing.&lt;br/&gt;We only use our car for travelling outside of London but then the train fares robbery is a whole other discussion.&lt;br/&gt;If CPZ&#039;s are the answer for some residents, and it seems they are, what controls can we put in place to make it more flexible for visitors and ensure the price doesn&#039;t rocket after the first couple of years? The council are going against the majority to maximise the profit they can make from this - what is to stop them hiking up the cost year on year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the person talking about public transport fares. In case you didn&#8217;t know, if you have an Oyster card your children can travel all day for a pound. It is fantastic! I am loving the whole Oyster card thing.<br />We only use our car for travelling outside of London but then the train fares robbery is a whole other discussion.<br />If CPZ&#8217;s are the answer for some residents, and it seems they are, what controls can we put in place to make it more flexible for visitors and ensure the price doesn&#8217;t rocket after the first couple of years? The council are going against the majority to maximise the profit they can make from this &#8211; what is to stop them hiking up the cost year on year?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot afford to pay to park. I&#039;m on a low income&lt;br/&gt;I have to buy very cheap old cars. I know for a fact that in Queens avenue the cars that park from 6pm till 8am are local residents cars. Thats the time when its even harder to park so its not school runs or visitors or shoppers cars. Its our cars, people that live here. We need to be able to park diagonally on one side of this particularly wide road and white boxes painted so that people park less selfishly. But i guess thats to logical and the council wont make more money out of us. BTW public transport is a joke new buses are poorly designed. Its over crowded and you risk the venom of violence from pumped up youths that are allowed to carry knives these days. I personally am making plans to leave England as soon as I can. Its a dying country. nuff said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot afford to pay to park. I&#8217;m on a low income<br />I have to buy very cheap old cars. I know for a fact that in Queens avenue the cars that park from 6pm till 8am are local residents cars. Thats the time when its even harder to park so its not school runs or visitors or shoppers cars. Its our cars, people that live here. We need to be able to park diagonally on one side of this particularly wide road and white boxes painted so that people park less selfishly. But i guess thats to logical and the council wont make more money out of us. BTW public transport is a joke new buses are poorly designed. Its over crowded and you risk the venom of violence from pumped up youths that are allowed to carry knives these days. I personally am making plans to leave England as soon as I can. Its a dying country. nuff said</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2006/10/haringey-parking-plans.htm/comment-page-1#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haringey put CPZs in place because that is what THEY like to do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is not really resident driven. The Highgate CPZ was fought against bitterly by many more residents than the few that clearly wanted the scheme.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here, there were a few difficult streets where the majority did want it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Haringey then &quot;consulted&quot; on the adjacent streets, and if they found a couple of takers that was enough. I am sure it was not democratically balloted, or if it was I suspect it was rigged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most days now there are loads of empty parking places in Highgate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We might all be less cynical if Haringey was willing to GIVE RESIDENTS free permits (and a book of free vouchers so friends can easily visit).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This would prove that the thing was not really just a wheel clampers ticketing charter.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And why should they demand to see my driving licence before giving me a permit?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I note that they don&#039;t demand to see my passport  before billing me the council tax.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They could send residents a permit along with the yearly tax bill. Then we might feel like we were dealing with an organisation that actually cared about the local resident - as opposed to fleeced them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sadly, our local Lib Dem councillors were not really anti CPZ. Perhaps they will now get behind a campaign for FREE residents permits instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haringey put CPZs in place because that is what THEY like to do.</p>
<p>It is not really resident driven. The Highgate CPZ was fought against bitterly by many more residents than the few that clearly wanted the scheme.</p>
<p>Here, there were a few difficult streets where the majority did want it. </p>
<p>Haringey then &#8220;consulted&#8221; on the adjacent streets, and if they found a couple of takers that was enough. I am sure it was not democratically balloted, or if it was I suspect it was rigged.</p>
<p>Most days now there are loads of empty parking places in Highgate.</p>
<p>We might all be less cynical if Haringey was willing to GIVE RESIDENTS free permits (and a book of free vouchers so friends can easily visit).</p>
<p>This would prove that the thing was not really just a wheel clampers ticketing charter.</p>
<p>And why should they demand to see my driving licence before giving me a permit?</p>
<p>I note that they don&#8217;t demand to see my passport  before billing me the council tax.</p>
<p>They could send residents a permit along with the yearly tax bill. Then we might feel like we were dealing with an organisation that actually cared about the local resident &#8211; as opposed to fleeced them.</p>
<p>Sadly, our local Lib Dem councillors were not really anti CPZ. Perhaps they will now get behind a campaign for FREE residents permits instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will the council take on board that NOBODY IN HARINGEY WANTS THESE CPZs. Theya re wasting their time and our money on this useless pursuit in the same way they wastied time and money 6 years ago attempting to install a CPZ in Bounds Green - only to abandon it at the last minute when much of the money had already been spent painting the lines. I don&#039;t trust Haringey to do anything corrrectly other than to make a mess.david@simmondsresearch.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will the council take on board that NOBODY IN HARINGEY WANTS THESE CPZs. Theya re wasting their time and our money on this useless pursuit in the same way they wastied time and money 6 years ago attempting to install a CPZ in Bounds Green &#8211; only to abandon it at the last minute when much of the money had already been spent painting the lines. I don&#8217;t trust Haringey to do anything corrrectly other than to make a <a   rel="nofollow" id="sto_emailShroud0" href="http://www.somethinkodd.com/emailshroud/emailaddress.php?domainName=simmondsresearch.com&amp;userName=mess.david&amp;ver=2.2.0" >mess.david</a></p>
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		<title>By: I. de Madariaga</title>
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		<dc:creator>I. de Madariaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that not one comment deals with the problems of the disabled, whether wheelchair bound, walking, working or OAPs. There should be a survey of the number of blue badges issued by the borough of Haringey, the number of blue badge parking places set aside, where and for how long, and an estimate of how many spaces are needed to provide for disabled shopping, visits to council offices, surgeries, opticians, etc. I. de Madariaga</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that not one comment deals with the problems of the disabled, whether wheelchair bound, walking, working or OAPs. There should be a survey of the number of blue badges issued by the borough of Haringey, the number of blue badge parking places set aside, where and for how long, and an estimate of how many spaces are needed to provide for disabled shopping, visits to council offices, surgeries, opticians, etc. I. de Madariaga</p>
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