Comments on: The roles of Sharon Shoesmith and George Meehan http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm Liberal Democrat MP for Hornsey and Wood Green Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:02:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Anonymous http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1381 Anonymous Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:20:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1381 amidst all the politics and emotionalism the most sound thing is that under the circumstances Sharon Shoesmith and the councillors should be suspended pending the outcome of the enquiry..there can not be a fair enquiry when the persons are still in the office and able to manipulate any searches or dicisions...Haringey operates under a communist regime...Liz Santry and Sharon Shoesmith should be sent to Afganistan!!!! amidst all the politics and emotionalism the most sound thing is that under the circumstances Sharon Shoesmith and the councillors should be suspended pending the outcome of the enquiry..there can not be a fair enquiry when the persons are still in the office and able to manipulate any searches or dicisions…Haringey operates under a communist regime…Liz Santry and Sharon Shoesmith should be sent to Afganistan!!!!

]]> By: Mark Aspinall http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1380 Mark Aspinall Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:30:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1380 The fact that the people in charge, did not resign immediately, bears testament to their social conscience being subordinated to personal self-serving interest in a public post, therefore they are in fact unfit for such a responsible position. Add to this, who is actually responsible in the Duty of Care - whose name is on the document ? whose signature accepting the responsibility ? Publish that chain of command and publish the document detailing that responsibility and it's signatory. It MUST be someone or there is no policy. Also, I am openly of the opinion that they are ethical cowards, in not holding their hands up for the blame, too afraid to take the responsibility when it arrived, yet undoubtedly eager to sign up for the fat pay-cheque. They also failed to actually deliver what the job entailed, which any normal employee would certainly be sacked for. Any normal person would not be able to live with themselves if it happened under their jurisdiction. All the signs are there, twice now, showing the system is not to blame but 'the people' responsible for its implementation ARE. Poor management, poor training, poor selection of staff with no guts to take the initiative and take it to the top, turning a blind-eye. Get rid of this culture. Solution - 'Do you suspect child abuse - ring xxxxxxxx' where 'xxxxxxxxx' is a direct line to the top, which then sends the report down the line rather than waiting for it never to arrive coming up the chain. And for every single worker who comes into contact with children to have that ONE number and permission to use it without fear of consequence. That way every nurse, doctor, social worker, police has a single easily remembered contact point... It doesn't take a £100k job run by a half-wit to figure that out. The fact that the people in charge, did not resign immediately, bears testament to their social conscience being subordinated to personal self-serving interest in a public post, therefore they are in fact unfit for such a responsible position. Add to this, who is actually responsible in the Duty of Care – whose name is on the document ? whose signature accepting the responsibility ? Publish that chain of command and publish the document detailing that responsibility and it’s signatory. It MUST be someone or there is no policy. Also, I am openly of the opinion that they are ethical cowards, in not holding their hands up for the blame, too afraid to take the responsibility when it arrived, yet undoubtedly eager to sign up for the fat pay-cheque. They also failed to actually deliver what the job entailed, which any normal employee would certainly be sacked for. Any normal person would not be able to live with themselves if it happened under their jurisdiction. All the signs are there, twice now, showing the system is not to blame but ‘the people’ responsible for its implementation ARE. Poor management, poor training, poor selection of staff with no guts to take the initiative and take it to the top, turning a blind-eye. Get rid of this culture. Solution – ‘Do you suspect child abuse – ring xxxxxxxx’ where ‘xxxxxxxxx’ is a direct line to the top, which then sends the report down the line rather than waiting for it never to arrive coming up the chain. And for every single worker who comes into contact with children to have that ONE number and permission to use it without fear of consequence. That way every nurse, doctor, social worker, police has a single easily remembered contact point… It doesn’t take a £100k job run by a half-wit to figure that out.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1379 Anonymous Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:49:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1379 I understand that a male relative of Baby Peter was an earlier victim in the Islington Paedophile Scandal in the 1980's and early 1990's. I wonder what Margaret Hodge thinks of that? I understand that a male relative of Baby Peter was an earlier victim in the Islington Paedophile Scandal in the 1980′s and early 1990′s. I wonder what Margaret Hodge thinks of that?

]]> By: Kush http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1378 Kush Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:31:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1378 George Meehan should develop a spine accept responsibility and resign as leader of Haringey Council. George Meehan should develop a spine accept responsibility and resign as leader of Haringey Council.

]]> By: devils advocate http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1377 devils advocate Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:02:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1377 >Nobody is rushing to make a Judgement Baby P<br/>We must agree to disagree.<br/><br/>>the Child was seen over 50 times <br/>So, every other week throughout his life, or maybe just under once a week for the last year. What does this prove? Is this normal for an at risk child? I have no idea. It seems like quite a high degree of on-going monitoring to me.<br/><br/>>I find it shocking that anybody can defend Haringey<br/>I'm not defending Haringey. For all I know they are just as useless as you say. What i am is less certain than you are and I don't see why that is shocking. Perhaps I haven't read/seen/heard the evidence you have and will soon be just as convinced.<br/><br/>>they are in hiding now as eight years ago<br/>Are they in hiding? >Nobody is rushing to make a Judgement Baby P
We must agree to disagree.

>the Child was seen over 50 times
So, every other week throughout his life, or maybe just under once a week for the last year. What does this prove? Is this normal for an at risk child? I have no idea. It seems like quite a high degree of on-going monitoring to me.

>I find it shocking that anybody can defend Haringey
I'm not defending Haringey. For all I know they are just as useless as you say. What i am is less certain than you are and I don't see why that is shocking. Perhaps I haven't read/seen/heard the evidence you have and will soon be just as convinced.

>they are in hiding now as eight years ago
Are they in hiding?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1376 Anonymous Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:11:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1376 Haringey Councillors have certainly lost the plot,you have only to listen to babbling Cllr Basu who has already come to the conclusion that nobody is negligent and nobody should be held accountable.Where is Lammy in all of this .It is his Labour Cronies that have acted so shamelessly.Well Mr Lammy can we vote you out with the rest of the Labour shower YES WE CAN Haringey Councillors have certainly lost the plot,you have only to listen to babbling Cllr Basu who has already come to the conclusion that nobody is negligent and nobody should be held accountable.Where is Lammy in all of this .It is his Labour Cronies that have acted so shamelessly.Well Mr Lammy can we vote you out with the rest of the Labour shower YES WE CAN

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1375 Anonymous Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:03:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1375 Nobody is rushing to make a Judgement Baby P died some months ago the facts are clear to see the Child was seen over 50 times I find it shocking that anybody can defend Haringey and its useless councillors,they are in hiding now as eight years ago.Nothing has changed only their Member allowances which has doubled yet the service delivery has collapsed Nobody is rushing to make a Judgement Baby P died some months ago the facts are clear to see the Child was seen over 50 times I find it shocking that anybody can defend Haringey and its useless councillors,they are in hiding now as eight years ago.Nothing has changed only their Member allowances which has doubled yet the service delivery has collapsed

]]> By: Mash http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1374 Mash Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:43:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1374 Scrutiny review on animal cruelty but block a review on the safety of children they have surely lost the plot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br/><br/>:-) hahahah LOL that is so true! Scrutiny review on animal cruelty but block a review on the safety of children they have surely lost the plot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-) hahahah LOL that is so true!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1373 Anonymous Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:48:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1373 Keep it up. I do not share your political views but this is an appalling case on all levels and has to be addressed. Keep it up. I do not share your political views but this is an appalling case on all levels and has to be addressed.

]]> By: devils advocate http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2008/11/roles-of-sharon-shoesmith-and-george.htm/comment-page-1#comment-1372 devils advocate Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:02:00 +0000 http://localhost/wp28/?p=1960#comment-1372 Just because the case is dreadful doesn't necessarily mean that it was preventable. People talk as if it was in Haringey, or any other Council's power to prevent these cases from ever happening. Clearly it isn't and never will be.<br/><br/>Why are we so quick to rush to judgement? It may be that Haringey are negligent, but I haven't seen very much evidence of that yet. Maybe it will come out, maybe I read the wrong papers. <br/><br/>>What Sharon Shoesmith, George Meehan and Liz Santry ... don't seem >to understand is the really, really deep sense of outrage amongst >the public.<br/>Lynne, they surely watch the News and read the papers. They will be getting letters, emails and phone calls the same as you. Of course they know that people are upset. What should they do to show they understand, they've already apologised. Should the leadership resign because of a public outcry, whether founded or not?<br/><br/>Have more children on the child protection register died in Haringey than other similar boroughs, I'm curious to know. Just because the case is dreadful doesn't necessarily mean that it was preventable. People talk as if it was in Haringey, or any other Council's power to prevent these cases from ever happening. Clearly it isn't and never will be.

Why are we so quick to rush to judgement? It may be that Haringey are negligent, but I haven't seen very much evidence of that yet. Maybe it will come out, maybe I read the wrong papers.

>What Sharon Shoesmith, George Meehan and Liz Santry … don't seem >to understand is the really, really deep sense of outrage amongst >the public.
Lynne, they surely watch the News and read the papers. They will be getting letters, emails and phone calls the same as you. Of course they know that people are upset. What should they do to show they understand, they've already apologised. Should the leadership resign because of a public outcry, whether founded or not?

Have more children on the child protection register died in Haringey than other similar boroughs, I'm curious to know.

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