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	<title>Comments on: Home Schooling</title>
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	<description>Liberal Democrat MP for Hornsey and Wood Green</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Dowell</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/10/home-schooling.htm/comment-page-2#comment-3184</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Dowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 21:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to compile a collection of outcomes of home education..
Most of the outcomes I&#039;ve heard of so far have been good, but I
would like to try to make the collection be as representative as
possible.  If you could contact me with some details of these
outcome I would be very grateful.

I can kind of understand peoples&#039; concern for the education and
welfare of home educated children.  As I see it the lee way that the
current law allows has given space for the growth of autonomous
education.  To outside observers this could be mistaken for no
education, but from all I&#039;ve heard and experienced it is very
effective.  The attempts to give more power and access to officials
who do not understand it could be very damaging and wreck the lives
of many children.

Best wishes

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to compile a collection of outcomes of home education..<br />
Most of the outcomes I&#8217;ve heard of so far have been good, but I<br />
would like to try to make the collection be as representative as<br />
possible.  If you could contact me with some details of these<br />
outcome I would be very grateful.</p>
<p>I can kind of understand peoples&#8217; concern for the education and<br />
welfare of home educated children.  As I see it the lee way that the<br />
current law allows has given space for the growth of autonomous<br />
education.  To outside observers this could be mistaken for no<br />
education, but from all I&#8217;ve heard and experienced it is very<br />
effective.  The attempts to give more power and access to officials<br />
who do not understand it could be very damaging and wreck the lives<br />
of many children.</p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/10/home-schooling.htm/comment-page-2#comment-3168</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isnt ait about the quality of education, rather than the surroundings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isnt ait about the quality of education, rather than the surroundings.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/10/home-schooling.htm/comment-page-2#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your absolutely right. its about getting a balance. there must also be some form of monitoring system in place to ensure the quality of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your absolutely right. its about getting a balance. there must also be some form of monitoring system in place to ensure the quality of education.</p>
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		<title>By: Home schooling: what is the liberal approach?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Home schooling: what is the liberal approach?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lynne Featherstone wrote about home schooling on her blog in October, concluding:  a really interesting conundrum &#8211; where everyone is trying to do their best by the children &#8211; but the state feels it isn&#8217;t safe to leave them to their parents alone and the parents think the state should butt out. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lynne Featherstone wrote about home schooling on her blog in October, concluding:  a really interesting conundrum &#8211; where everyone is trying to do their best by the children &#8211; but the state feels it isn&#8217;t safe to leave them to their parents alone and the parents think the state should butt out. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PTLLS</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/10/home-schooling.htm/comment-page-2#comment-2410</link>
		<dc:creator>PTLLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Europe lifelong learning takes now has a different approach, we hope to see more development as a result of new legislation, good luck all teachers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Europe lifelong learning takes now has a different approach, we hope to see more development as a result of new legislation, good luck all teachers!</p>
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		<title>By: jax</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/10/home-schooling.htm/comment-page-2#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>jax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see that there&#039;s an awful lot of attacking by home educators going on here - a couple of the more negative commenters actually refer to home educators as if they themselves are not HE. 

Please do not mistake our passion in defense of our children and our lifestyles as anger at you personally. Many of us are angry and feel betrayed by the libdem party line - I am one of them. I was a paid up libdem, but no longer, as I can&#039;t even have a constructive dialogue on this issue with the party, I just get this conundrum line. We are adults, it&#039;s supposed to be a grown up party. Please recognise that parents are best placed to look after their children and make choices for them, and it is only the state&#039;s place to get involved as a last resort. Not as a just in case, which is very very different.

Surely you can see that this step towards interfering in families is another reach from the overall control and surveillance state that I believed libdems were committed to scaling down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see that there&#8217;s an awful lot of attacking by home educators going on here &#8211; a couple of the more negative commenters actually refer to home educators as if they themselves are not HE. </p>
<p>Please do not mistake our passion in defense of our children and our lifestyles as anger at you personally. Many of us are angry and feel betrayed by the libdem party line &#8211; I am one of them. I was a paid up libdem, but no longer, as I can&#8217;t even have a constructive dialogue on this issue with the party, I just get this conundrum line. We are adults, it&#8217;s supposed to be a grown up party. Please recognise that parents are best placed to look after their children and make choices for them, and it is only the state&#8217;s place to get involved as a last resort. Not as a just in case, which is very very different.</p>
<p>Surely you can see that this step towards interfering in families is another reach from the overall control and surveillance state that I believed libdems were committed to scaling down?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Featherstone,

I must say I am a little surprised to see your complaints about the &quot;slagging&quot; you were receiving from home educators. I think, considering the rights they stand in danger of losing, their treatment of you and your colleagues has been relatively mild. I think Bishop Hill has said it better than I can:

&quot;...there is a conundrum for us on the outside looking in at our representatives. When we observe our parliamentarians discussing the abolition of long-cherished freedoms, are we really expected to stand and watch with equanimity? Are we to make polite representations suggesting that perhaps the abolition of the assumption of innocence is not such a good idea and maybe politicians might like to reconsider? Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue....should it not concern us that we outside parliament are having to point out to our elected representatives that what they are proposing is such a disastrous infringement of our rights? How is it that we have elected people who need to have this explained to them? Isn&#039;t the first job of parliamentarians to defend the liberties of the people?&quot;

My question for you is, why on earth would you feel the need to examine proposals that would violate the time-honored principles of innocent until proven guilty, the parent has primary responsibility for the well-being of the child, and there will be no invasion of the family home without just cause (and a warrant)? You spoke of complete and absolute freedom. Such a thing does not exist! We are all subject to law, and there are ample laws currently on the books to protect children, right now. Home educators don&#039;t need special ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Featherstone,</p>
<p>I must say I am a little surprised to see your complaints about the &#8220;slagging&#8221; you were receiving from home educators. I think, considering the rights they stand in danger of losing, their treatment of you and your colleagues has been relatively mild. I think Bishop Hill has said it better than I can:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;there is a conundrum for us on the outside looking in at our representatives. When we observe our parliamentarians discussing the abolition of long-cherished freedoms, are we really expected to stand and watch with equanimity? Are we to make polite representations suggesting that perhaps the abolition of the assumption of innocence is not such a good idea and maybe politicians might like to reconsider? Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue&#8230;.should it not concern us that we outside parliament are having to point out to our elected representatives that what they are proposing is such a disastrous infringement of our rights? How is it that we have elected people who need to have this explained to them? Isn&#8217;t the first job of parliamentarians to defend the liberties of the people?&#8221;</p>
<p>My question for you is, why on earth would you feel the need to examine proposals that would violate the time-honored principles of innocent until proven guilty, the parent has primary responsibility for the well-being of the child, and there will be no invasion of the family home without just cause (and a warrant)? You spoke of complete and absolute freedom. Such a thing does not exist! We are all subject to law, and there are ample laws currently on the books to protect children, right now. Home educators don&#8217;t need special ones.</p>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/10/home-schooling.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2354</link>
		<dc:creator>James P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think the economic argument alone would carry some weight with this over-spent government. Every child in HE is saving them thousands of pounds a year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think the economic argument alone would carry some weight with this over-spent government. Every child in HE is saving them thousands of pounds a year!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Poynton</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/10/home-schooling.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2353</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Poynton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I do think that home schooling is something that parents should have a right to choose - but despite the protestations from my visitors that all home schooled children are happy and safe - I have heard about less happy outcomes.&quot;

Good lord. On the other hand, all state school pupils come out supremely qualified to cope with the adult world, don&#039;t they? 

Lynne. Home education has gone on for decades without the state seeking to intervene. Apart from the fact that the state would, if it could, have CCTVs in all our houses (Helloooooooo Mr. Balls), what has changed to make the state decide this? 

And does the state serve the people, or vice-versa? 

There are basic matters of liberty and democracy at stake here. Already, damn near any public servant can knock on your door now and demand entry without warning. That never used to be the case. How has society benefited from this, apart from alienating many of us from the concept of &quot;the state&quot;.

Certainly, 12 years of Labour means that I now see the state as my enemy, and I the enemy of the state. This farrago over home education is yet another case of the state overreaching itself, and forgetting how it serves - which is US, not itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do think that home schooling is something that parents should have a right to choose &#8211; but despite the protestations from my visitors that all home schooled children are happy and safe &#8211; I have heard about less happy outcomes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good lord. On the other hand, all state school pupils come out supremely qualified to cope with the adult world, don&#8217;t they? </p>
<p>Lynne. Home education has gone on for decades without the state seeking to intervene. Apart from the fact that the state would, if it could, have CCTVs in all our houses (Helloooooooo Mr. Balls), what has changed to make the state decide this? </p>
<p>And does the state serve the people, or vice-versa? </p>
<p>There are basic matters of liberty and democracy at stake here. Already, damn near any public servant can knock on your door now and demand entry without warning. That never used to be the case. How has society benefited from this, apart from alienating many of us from the concept of &#8220;the state&#8221;.</p>
<p>Certainly, 12 years of Labour means that I now see the state as my enemy, and I the enemy of the state. This farrago over home education is yet another case of the state overreaching itself, and forgetting how it serves &#8211; which is US, not itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne Featherstone</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/10/home-schooling.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2352</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynne Featherstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is because I am interested in finding a way to back home education and the freedoms you seek that I firstly took time to meet constituents at parliament, secondly took time to write about the issue very broadly on my blog; thirdly took time to read and response to comments - and am open to the arguments people people have made. But the home educators&#039; responses that simply  attack me for raising questions and even wanting to hear the arguments, daring to examine the concerns raised by the Badman Review and see what the challenges are to complete and absolute freedoms - then how liberal are they? If you cannot tolerate discourse and scrutiny ........

Anyway - you have all helped shaped my views and there are a few really good posts that I have found helpful and constructive. I do now have a much more informed position on home education than before and a much clearer one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is because I am interested in finding a way to back home education and the freedoms you seek that I firstly took time to meet constituents at parliament, secondly took time to write about the issue very broadly on my blog; thirdly took time to read and response to comments &#8211; and am open to the arguments people people have made. But the home educators&#8217; responses that simply  attack me for raising questions and even wanting to hear the arguments, daring to examine the concerns raised by the Badman Review and see what the challenges are to complete and absolute freedoms &#8211; then how liberal are they? If you cannot tolerate discourse and scrutiny &#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; you have all helped shaped my views and there are a few really good posts that I have found helpful and constructive. I do now have a much more informed position on home education than before and a much clearer one.</p>
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