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	<title>Comments on: Night Stalker &#8211; arrested</title>
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	<description>Liberal Democrat MP for Hornsey and Wood Green</description>
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		<title>By: Staz</title>
		<link>http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/11/night-stalker-arrested.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2530</link>
		<dc:creator>Staz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it turn’s out that it’s someone called ‘Delroy Grant. Police visited the wrong Delroy Grant and ‘eliminated’ him from enquiry. How they done this remains unclear as I understand they had a car number plate. One assumes that each Delroy Grant in Britain has a separate date of birth but this might be too complex for the detectives to comprehend. The surname Grant is not unusual nor is the name Delroy. Hopefully some kind of independent enquiry will take place into these failings as police should not be eliminating someone simply on their name. If I typed Delroy Grant into the PNC I might get 300 results. Was this investigation so appalling that they don’t even record a date of birth against the name of the eliminated person?

Running a DNA record upon arrest in my view is reasonable but the long term retention of innocent samples is not. This person committed crimes for 19 years and was never picked up so your point about retention of innocent DNA is quite flawed. A million innocent yet this chap not on it and I bet you any money he does have criminal convictions when this comes to court probably just pre-dates routine sampling. If he is completely innocent and has never been convicted you have a case. The police to my knowledge have not stated the man&#039;s criminal history at this point in time so I suggest you wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it turn’s out that it’s someone called ‘Delroy Grant. Police visited the wrong Delroy Grant and ‘eliminated’ him from enquiry. How they done this remains unclear as I understand they had a car number plate. One assumes that each Delroy Grant in Britain has a separate date of birth but this might be too complex for the detectives to comprehend. The surname Grant is not unusual nor is the name Delroy. Hopefully some kind of independent enquiry will take place into these failings as police should not be eliminating someone simply on their name. If I typed Delroy Grant into the PNC I might get 300 results. Was this investigation so appalling that they don’t even record a date of birth against the name of the eliminated person?</p>
<p>Running a DNA record upon arrest in my view is reasonable but the long term retention of innocent samples is not. This person committed crimes for 19 years and was never picked up so your point about retention of innocent DNA is quite flawed. A million innocent yet this chap not on it and I bet you any money he does have criminal convictions when this comes to court probably just pre-dates routine sampling. If he is completely innocent and has never been convicted you have a case. The police to my knowledge have not stated the man&#8217;s criminal history at this point in time so I suggest you wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy bentham</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy bentham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a little confused by your stance against the holding of DNA of the unconvicted - how does this square with the implied criticism of the long time it took to detect this man?

It is quite obvious that if the entire population - indigenous and immigrant - of this country had had their DNA profile held on a database then this offender would have been caught much - probably 10 years - sooner, and far fewer old people terrorised and harmed.

Which would you prefer?  Is the rape and burglary of our elderly folk a reasonable price to pay for the supposed freedom afforded by not having a proper national DNA database?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a little confused by your stance against the holding of DNA of the unconvicted &#8211; how does this square with the implied criticism of the long time it took to detect this man?</p>
<p>It is quite obvious that if the entire population &#8211; indigenous and immigrant &#8211; of this country had had their DNA profile held on a database then this offender would have been caught much &#8211; probably 10 years &#8211; sooner, and far fewer old people terrorised and harmed.</p>
<p>Which would you prefer?  Is the rape and burglary of our elderly folk a reasonable price to pay for the supposed freedom afforded by not having a proper national DNA database?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to that point, a percentage of this man&#039;s victims were also elderly men, so not just women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to that point, a percentage of this man&#8217;s victims were also elderly men, so not just women.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet Harms-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet Harms-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No idea if Lynne was supposedly posturing at the time, but her post today certainly has a great deal of merit and addresses incredibly important issues.

Holding onto the DNA of innocent people really goes against everything the this country stands for. It is intrusive, unnecessary, offensive and will actually make the police&#039;s job harder in the long run. Quite frankly if I was asked for a DNA sample in ths situation above I&#039;d tell the police to get stuffed if they were intent on hanging onto it for 6 years (or even longer as at present). I don&#039;t care how horrific the crimes are by the person they&#039;re trying to catch - there&#039;s still no excuse for storing any innocent person&#039;s DNA after they&#039;re cleared.

We&#039;ve got so many politicians in the Labour Party wishing to store everyone&#039;s DNA, and undermine the judicial process in others ways such as wanting to lower the burden of proof to a much lower standard than all other crime. Even if Lynne had been posturing at least she&#039;s got some common sense on this matter, which is more than you can say for most MPs.

My only criticism would be Lynne&#039;s failure to state it is of course black MEN and young MEN who are disproportionately represented on the database, though of coruse it&#039;s never politically correct to highlight men being the victims of anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No idea if Lynne was supposedly posturing at the time, but her post today certainly has a great deal of merit and addresses incredibly important issues.</p>
<p>Holding onto the DNA of innocent people really goes against everything the this country stands for. It is intrusive, unnecessary, offensive and will actually make the police&#8217;s job harder in the long run. Quite frankly if I was asked for a DNA sample in ths situation above I&#8217;d tell the police to get stuffed if they were intent on hanging onto it for 6 years (or even longer as at present). I don&#8217;t care how horrific the crimes are by the person they&#8217;re trying to catch &#8211; there&#8217;s still no excuse for storing any innocent person&#8217;s DNA after they&#8217;re cleared.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got so many politicians in the Labour Party wishing to store everyone&#8217;s DNA, and undermine the judicial process in others ways such as wanting to lower the burden of proof to a much lower standard than all other crime. Even if Lynne had been posturing at least she&#8217;s got some common sense on this matter, which is more than you can say for most MPs.</p>
<p>My only criticism would be Lynne&#8217;s failure to state it is of course black MEN and young MEN who are disproportionately represented on the database, though of coruse it&#8217;s never politically correct to highlight men being the victims of anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne Featherstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne Featherstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No - was interested in both. 

Supposing the all consuming time spent on getting &#039;volunteers&#039; to give DNA samples had been spent on chasing burglars - the perpetrator might have been caught earlier - as that is how he was caught yesterday. 

And quite frankly - it&#039;s facile to try and denigrate my interest and effort to &#039;anti-racist posturing&#039; particularly as it was not the DNA trawl, as far as I am aware, that netted the suspect. They certainly had DNA from the various crime scenes which they will now be able to use as corroberative evidence - but all that time wasted might have been better spent. 

Moreover, cooperation from within a community is the best way of getting intelligence - so the idea that being concerned about how evidence is taken is in some way wrong or posturing - is bizarre. 

You are clearly only interested in posturing on my blog - rather than addressing key and serious issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; was interested in both. </p>
<p>Supposing the all consuming time spent on getting &#8216;volunteers&#8217; to give DNA samples had been spent on chasing burglars &#8211; the perpetrator might have been caught earlier &#8211; as that is how he was caught yesterday. </p>
<p>And quite frankly &#8211; it&#8217;s facile to try and denigrate my interest and effort to &#8216;anti-racist posturing&#8217; particularly as it was not the DNA trawl, as far as I am aware, that netted the suspect. They certainly had DNA from the various crime scenes which they will now be able to use as corroberative evidence &#8211; but all that time wasted might have been better spent. </p>
<p>Moreover, cooperation from within a community is the best way of getting intelligence &#8211; so the idea that being concerned about how evidence is taken is in some way wrong or posturing &#8211; is bizarre. </p>
<p>You are clearly only interested in posturing on my blog &#8211; rather than addressing key and serious issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Law abiding citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law abiding citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were more interested in anti-racist posturing than in helping the police to solve these crimes.  Shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were more interested in anti-racist posturing than in helping the police to solve these crimes.  Shame on you.</p>
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