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	<title>Comments on: Shame on you Alan Johnson</title>
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	<description>Liberal Democrat MP for Hornsey and Wood Green</description>
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		<title>By: Tony Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw: &quot;Shame on YOU Lynne Featherstone!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw: &#8220;Shame on YOU Lynne Featherstone!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DocBud: I wouldn&#039;t hold your breath waiting for Lynne or any other MP to champion any REAL issue detrimental to our freedoms and liberties. As you can see, the only &quot;issues&quot; which get debated in public are the non-consequential ones such as: &quot;is it right to smoke weed...yay or nay?&quot;. Those &quot;debates&quot; are only put forward to give the impression we live in a democracy. Issues which are actually important are forced through parliament with no debate - without so-much as the public being made aware.

Lynne is a typical modern-day politician. Her job is to divert, rather than focus the public&#039;s attention on anything substantial. She&#039;s a shill, just like the rest of them.

We (much of the public) know what&#039;s going on here, where our society is gradually heading. You don&#039;t even have to have read Brave New World or experienced Soviet Russia to appreciate what&#039;s unfolding. Day by day we see it - yet those who supposedly represent us conveniently do not. Our MPs are either amazingly thick, or laughing behind our backs.

Let&#039;s just hope they don&#039;t push too hard and live to regret their arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DocBud: I wouldn&#8217;t hold your breath waiting for Lynne or any other MP to champion any REAL issue detrimental to our freedoms and liberties. As you can see, the only &#8220;issues&#8221; which get debated in public are the non-consequential ones such as: &#8220;is it right to smoke weed&#8230;yay or nay?&#8221;. Those &#8220;debates&#8221; are only put forward to give the impression we live in a democracy. Issues which are actually important are forced through parliament with no debate &#8211; without so-much as the public being made aware.</p>
<p>Lynne is a typical modern-day politician. Her job is to divert, rather than focus the public&#8217;s attention on anything substantial. She&#8217;s a shill, just like the rest of them.</p>
<p>We (much of the public) know what&#8217;s going on here, where our society is gradually heading. You don&#8217;t even have to have read Brave New World or experienced Soviet Russia to appreciate what&#8217;s unfolding. Day by day we see it &#8211; yet those who supposedly represent us conveniently do not. Our MPs are either amazingly thick, or laughing behind our backs.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just hope they don&#8217;t push too hard and live to regret their arrogance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some out there on the right who do understand what is going on. Here is an interesting quote from Peter Oborne&#039;s 2009 Keith Joseph Memorial Lecture. IMHO he hits the nail squarely on the head.

&quot;We have abandoned the idea that there is an independent reality which is out there and subject to independent verification – and adopted instead a different kind of political epistemology. The purpose of public argument has moved right away from truths that can be proven to narratives that can be constructed. This is formally recognised by the ruling elite.

Peter Mandelson, one of the inventors of the new politics, speaks of the need to ‘create the truth’. Apologists for the new ruling elite celebrate this proposition. Here is the Cambridge University lecturer in political philosophy David Runciman in his recent and very well-received book on political hypocrisy: ‘it is never a question of truth versus lies; it is, at best, a choice between different kinds of truth against different kinds of lies.’&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some out there on the right who do understand what is going on. Here is an interesting quote from Peter Oborne&#8217;s 2009 Keith Joseph Memorial Lecture. IMHO he hits the nail squarely on the head.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have abandoned the idea that there is an independent reality which is out there and subject to independent verification – and adopted instead a different kind of political epistemology. The purpose of public argument has moved right away from truths that can be proven to narratives that can be constructed. This is formally recognised by the ruling elite.</p>
<p>Peter Mandelson, one of the inventors of the new politics, speaks of the need to ‘create the truth’. Apologists for the new ruling elite celebrate this proposition. Here is the Cambridge University lecturer in political philosophy David Runciman in his recent and very well-received book on political hypocrisy: ‘it is never a question of truth versus lies; it is, at best, a choice between different kinds of truth against different kinds of lies.’&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DocBud</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocBud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear it, Lynne.

Is there a transcript anywhere?

How do we recover these freedoms, so hard won and so readily thrown away? I believe that they are the basic elements of society, without them nothing good can be achieved. The current government believes that its subjects do not need to be free, they just need to do as they are told by a government that knows best. Who will champion fundamental freedoms, not David Cameron I fear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear it, Lynne.</p>
<p>Is there a transcript anywhere?</p>
<p>How do we recover these freedoms, so hard won and so readily thrown away? I believe that they are the basic elements of society, without them nothing good can be achieved. The current government believes that its subjects do not need to be free, they just need to do as they are told by a government that knows best. Who will champion fundamental freedoms, not David Cameron I fear?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne Featherstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne Featherstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well - I don&#039;t blog everything - and if you had heard me on radio last Wednesday on the proposal to give councils those powers - you would have been very happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8211; I don&#8217;t blog everything &#8211; and if you had heard me on radio last Wednesday on the proposal to give councils those powers &#8211; you would have been very happy.</p>
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		<title>By: DocBud</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocBud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw the headline, I rather hoped that, being a liberal, you were referring to the extension of the Proceeds of Crime Act, without parliamentary debate, to allow council officers and civilian investigators employed by organisations such as the Rural Payments Agency and Transport for London to search homes, seize cash, freeze bank accounts and confiscate property. 

This is a disgraceful attack on both freedom and parliamentary democracy and yet it appears no MP cares. Much the same as few MPs seem to care about the use of anti-terrorist laws by local councils. MPs who stay silent as freedoms earned over centuries are stripped away by this government are complicit in its guilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw the headline, I rather hoped that, being a liberal, you were referring to the extension of the Proceeds of Crime Act, without parliamentary debate, to allow council officers and civilian investigators employed by organisations such as the Rural Payments Agency and Transport for London to search homes, seize cash, freeze bank accounts and confiscate property. </p>
<p>This is a disgraceful attack on both freedom and parliamentary democracy and yet it appears no MP cares. Much the same as few MPs seem to care about the use of anti-terrorist laws by local councils. MPs who stay silent as freedoms earned over centuries are stripped away by this government are complicit in its guilt.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet Harms-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet Harms-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly harsh this - it was Smith who messed up the classification thing (and just about everything else she did) - Johnson is merely stuck with the big mess she created.

The government can&#039;t keep changing the classification every six months as that would send out an even more confusing message than already exists  - they already look incredibly weak and such a U-turn would obviously damage them further.

Not that I agree with Johnson&#039;s conduct in the slightest, but to blame absolutely everything on him and to fail to even mention Smith even once in the article (or even hint that the problems were caused by a predecessor) isn&#039;t really on.

His hands are tied in terms of changing the policy, so we can&#039;t really be sure how he feels on the issue either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly harsh this &#8211; it was Smith who messed up the classification thing (and just about everything else she did) &#8211; Johnson is merely stuck with the big mess she created.</p>
<p>The government can&#8217;t keep changing the classification every six months as that would send out an even more confusing message than already exists  &#8211; they already look incredibly weak and such a U-turn would obviously damage them further.</p>
<p>Not that I agree with Johnson&#8217;s conduct in the slightest, but to blame absolutely everything on him and to fail to even mention Smith even once in the article (or even hint that the problems were caused by a predecessor) isn&#8217;t really on.</p>
<p>His hands are tied in terms of changing the policy, so we can&#8217;t really be sure how he feels on the issue either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Veart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Veart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole debate and watching Jacqui Smith on last week&#039;s Question Time has convinced me of one thing: New Labour is all about &quot;interests&quot; and have no concept of doing anything simply because it is the right thing to do.  Our current government are morally bankrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole debate and watching Jacqui Smith on last week&#8217;s Question Time has convinced me of one thing: New Labour is all about &#8220;interests&#8221; and have no concept of doing anything simply because it is the right thing to do.  Our current government are morally bankrupt.</p>
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