Comments on: Baby Peter and beyond – Great Ormond Street in the dock http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm Liberal Democrat MP for Hornsey and Wood Green Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:02:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: kim holt http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2605 kim holt Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:45:46 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2605 Child protection is very complex work that needs not only enough time to assess the child but also to liaise with social services in particular. There is a critical mass of staffing below which the service becomes unsustainable. Individuals can overcome a failing system for a while, but not forever. We are seeing other hospitals failing and similar stories coming out that warnings were not heeded ( Stafford) or dealt with effectively by management. ( Milton Keynes). Lack of resources have been used to explain the problems in St Ann's, but if that is the case, lets be open and up front about about it. Remember, I am not talking with hindsight, but having clearly written to management to the highest level in advance of the collapse of the service. I am glad that the public are now aware of the failings in the system as a whole so that efforts can be made to reduce the risks in the future. Looking at how we resource children's services and support families may be one of the areas that need to be openly debated. Child protection is very complex work that needs not only enough time to assess the child but also to liaise with social services in particular. There is a critical mass of staffing below which the service becomes unsustainable. Individuals can overcome a failing system for a while, but not forever.
We are seeing other hospitals failing and similar stories coming out that warnings were not heeded ( Stafford) or dealt with effectively by management. ( Milton Keynes).
Lack of resources have been used to explain the problems in St Ann’s, but if that is the case, lets be open and up front about about it.
Remember, I am not talking with hindsight, but having clearly written to management to the highest level in advance of the collapse of the service.
I am glad that the public are now aware of the failings in the system as a whole so that efforts can be made to reduce the risks in the future. Looking at how we resource children’s services and support families may be one of the areas that need to be openly debated.

]]> By: Lbmbridge http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2590 Lbmbridge Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:35:27 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2590 I wonder if anyone has considered if - as they are so "over stretched" there is a case to find out who is exactly burdening the NHS in Haringey or whether in fact the stretch is because too little is done by the management except try and sell of lucrative land like St Annes, instead of considering the impact of bad if not obvious malpractice. And has any one asked the patients of this particular set of overstretched doctors to come in and be seen by other doctors to verify their practice ? Can you imagine what it must feel like to know you child's treatment is still in the hands of doctors who have no competency to see the issues of the child's broken back? And what if Baby P had not died and the furore occured? This doctor and the others who would be supervised by her (or next time a him) when training would be creating a grand selection of ill trained and badly acting medical staff trained by the Primary Care and TEACHING Trust. Personally having moved out of Haringey because I had the grave misfortune to Live in the ward of BabY P I can say that doctors there have been misusing the system with private drug companies to the patients detriment for decades...mainly by claiming appointments that they didnt have, and of course as it was LAMMY again who was involved in creating the sort of complaints system that Haringey abides by (yes he did for medical complaints - and the charity that works to act as your advocate), then we have a system that spends hours in chains of paper work and has no real action from an external verification system. Even using the highly promoted NHS website where I could - it alleged - make comments about the doctors poor practice - I received an email returned that said that the matter I wrote to them was so serious that the website would 'not accept' the criticism. Of course the criticism would then be either to the doctors complaints system first or the NHS PCT (ho HO HO). I wonder if the doctor is like the ones in training at Whitttington Hospital, who I saw dab her finger tips in alcohol rub in a ward full of MRSA patients. I wonder if anyone has considered if – as they are so “over stretched” there is a case to find out who is exactly burdening the NHS in Haringey or whether in fact the stretch is because too little is done by the management except try and sell of lucrative land like St Annes, instead of considering the impact of bad if not obvious malpractice. And has any one asked the patients of this particular set of overstretched doctors to come in and be seen by other doctors to verify their practice ? Can you imagine what it must feel like to know you child’s treatment is still in the hands of doctors who have no competency to see the issues of the child’s broken back?

And what if Baby P had not died and the furore occured? This doctor and the others who would be supervised by her (or next time a him) when training would be creating a grand selection of ill trained and badly acting medical staff trained by the Primary Care and TEACHING Trust. Personally having moved out of Haringey because I had the grave misfortune to Live in the ward of BabY P I can say that doctors there have been misusing the system with private drug companies to the patients detriment for decades…mainly by claiming appointments that they didnt have, and of course as it was LAMMY again who was involved in creating the sort of complaints system that Haringey abides by (yes he did for medical complaints – and the charity that works to act as your advocate), then we have a system that spends hours in chains of paper work and has no real action from an external verification system. Even using the highly promoted NHS website where I could – it alleged – make comments about the doctors poor practice – I received an email returned that said that the matter I wrote to them was so serious that the website would ‘not accept’ the criticism. Of course the criticism would then be either to the doctors complaints system first or the NHS PCT (ho HO HO).

I wonder if the doctor is like the ones in training at Whitttington Hospital, who I saw dab her finger tips in alcohol rub in a ward full of MRSA patients.

]]> By: John Bridson http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2589 John Bridson Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:11:48 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2589 I have not commented on a blog before. Lynne your help for Kim is exemplary, we all hope for a just outcome. However I am not one of those who condemn Sabah Al Zayyat, we need to look carefully at the nature of scapegoating. The establishment have turned on her. We need to look carefully at the expert opinions involved at the Baby P prosecution, and the strength of the evidence on which the experts based their opinions before we make these accusations. I have not commented on a blog before.

Lynne your help for Kim is exemplary, we all hope for a just outcome.

However I am not one of those who condemn Sabah Al Zayyat, we need to look carefully at the nature of scapegoating. The establishment have turned on her.

We need to look carefully at the expert opinions involved at the Baby P prosecution, and the strength of the evidence on which the experts based their opinions before we make these accusations.

]]> By: Peter Gooderham http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2588 Peter Gooderham Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:51:30 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2588 This demonstrates very nicely why whistleblowers should be encouraged to seek advice from their MPs. An effective MP like Lynne can be very helpful. It is also very important that MPs know what is happening in organisations which serve their constituents. After Stafford, ministers said that whistleblowers enjoy total legal protection. Lets see. This demonstrates very nicely why whistleblowers should be encouraged to seek advice from their MPs.

An effective MP like Lynne can be very helpful.

It is also very important that MPs know what is happening in organisations which serve their constituents.

After Stafford, ministers said that whistleblowers enjoy total legal protection. Lets see.

]]> By: Lynne Featherstone http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2587 Lynne Featherstone Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:09:52 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2587 Very similar. I worked with Nevres too - and she found exactly the same - the establishment turned on her rather than deal with the concerns she was raising. This is a deep-seated issue - and until whistleblowers are welcomed rather than ostracized and forced out of their jobs - it is the vulnerable children who will remain at risk. Very similar. I worked with Nevres too – and she found exactly the same – the establishment turned on her rather than deal with the concerns she was raising. This is a deep-seated issue – and until whistleblowers are welcomed rather than ostracized and forced out of their jobs – it is the vulnerable children who will remain at risk.

]]> By: Facebook User http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2585 Facebook User Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:01:51 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2585 What's your take on Nevres Kemal, who was on <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007vrr0" rel="nofollow">The Choice</a> last week? She didn't seem to manage her own case very well but it sounds horribly familiar to Kim Holt's. What’s your take on Nevres Kemal, who was on The Choice last week? She didn’t seem to manage her own case very well but it sounds horribly familiar to Kim Holt’s.

]]> By: Marc Burgess http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2584 Marc Burgess Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:37:12 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2584 Lynne, While I have totally disagreed with your points of view on Sharon Shoesmith's dismissal, I am impressed by how you have dealt with this. This is surely the very best example of how our Parliamentary servants serve us best. I am sure Kim and the public of Harringey will be better off for your involvement in this situation. Let's just hope Kim is allowed to return to work soon and the report vindicates her completely. Lynne,

While I have totally disagreed with your points of view on Sharon Shoesmith’s dismissal, I am impressed by how you have dealt with this.

This is surely the very best example of how our Parliamentary servants serve us best. I am sure Kim and the public of Harringey will be better off for your involvement in this situation.

Let’s just hope Kim is allowed to return to work soon and the report vindicates her completely.

]]> By: Lynne Featherstone http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2583 Lynne Featherstone Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:15:18 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2583 Thanks dreamingspire - k inserted and link working now. Thanks dreamingspire – k inserted and link working now.

]]> By: dreamingspire http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/2009/12/baby-peter-and-beyond-great-ormond-street-in-the-dock.htm/comment-page-1#comment-2582 dreamingspire Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:39:57 +0000 http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/?p=5628#comment-2582 Lynne, the link to the Evening Standard has an error (the k is missing off .co.uk). Should be http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23689559-doctors-raised-alarm-over-high-risk-at-baby-p-clinic.do Lynne, the link to the Evening Standard has an error (the k is missing off .co.uk). Should be http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23689559-doctors-raised-alarm-over-high-risk-at-baby-p-clinic.do

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